In this episode #234 of Drunk Ex-Pastors we are challenged by a caller to evaluate our own prejudices concerning people who live in apartments and drink grape soda, after which we chat with author Mark Gober about his new book, An End to Upside-Down Thinking. We explore topics like whether we are really nothing more than our physical, material selves, and what “paranormal” phenomena like ESP, remote viewing, and telepathy have to say about this issue. Biebers involve pumping and left hands.

This interview is also available on our YouTube channel here.