In this episode, the DXPs welcome mystic, TV personality, radio host, handwriting analyst, and author Cash Peters into the studio (he’s kind of like the Dos Equis “Most Interesting Man in the World” guy, just with a British accent and teeth). In our first hour, Cash analyses our handwriting and is deeply surprised by what he learns about Jason (although Christian thinks the analysis was pretty much right on target). After our break Cash describes his experience visiting the healer John of God in Brazil (do true healings happen there? Are they attributable to God?), after which we again return to Jason and what a frustrating experience he makes listening to this show to be (during which Jason falls asleep). Cash shares his bieber with us, which involves times long ago in galaxies far, far away.
Also, you’ve now heard the terms “Mancunian” and “Liverpudlian.” You’re welcome.
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Ray
I know why Jason fell asleep during the interview. I almost did as well. Mr. Cash is one of the most tiresome people I’ve ever listened to. My honest opinion. Sorry.
Chad Toney
Great wikipedia page:
“- This article contains content that is written like an advertisement. (July 2014)
– A major contributor to this article appears to have a close connection with its subject. (July 2014)”
Chad Toney
Maybe next week we can learn about how to improve our health with the power of magnets!
JasonStellman
Hey, I only dozed because I was interviewed for his show for 3 hours just prior (and had a stout with him over lunch). I found the guy charming and fascinating.
JasonStellman
Is anything Cash said any harder to believe that that Peter’s hanky or Paul’s shadow healed people?
Chris Fisher
Perhaps it is just the skeptic in me, but this sounds an awful lot like a session with a psychic or mentalist so far.
JasonStellman
Yeah, that’s how he describes the handwriting thing. It’s more intuitive than scientific (which I think makes it way more interesting).
Sylvia Hunter
OK looks like it’s confession time. I am the person referred to above. I have long been a huge fan of Cash Peters and had the not so bright idea that I would try to improve his Wiki page. He knew nothing about it, although he will now ,of course. As you see, it went horribly wrong, I am so sorry Cash , if you read this.
Apparently my style was over enthusiastic. tHe offending passage was swiftly rewritten, so I have no idea why those notes are still there. If it’s any consolation to anyone Wiki have banned me from further editing. So much for that bright idea!
Sylvia
DrunkExPastors
Approve.
Sent from my iPad
JasonStellman
Hey Sylvia,
I’m a fan of Cash’s too, albeit not for as long as you have been! I’m sure whatever zeal you displayed will be appreciated by him since it was obviously well-intentioned. He’s a gracious guy….
Evan McKee
This was actually a really interesting intreview. It definitely chalenged my generally skeptical aproach to things like this.
Christian Kingery
I’ve listened to about 95 minutes so far and I really enjoyed it. He’s an interesting, genuine guy. We also challenged him at almost every point (and he even is skeptical of stuff), but I guess people want us to be ruder when we question something? Ha.
kenneth
Sooooo constructive criticism.
You guys need to make DXPs interviews YOUR show. No matter who you interview most of us won’t really care all THAT much about their life. We tune in for DXPs. Find a way to put your stamp on these guest appearances. Interview drinking games, true or false, rant and rave, something unique that keeps the show exciting. Segment it up so we can have something to look forward to. Sometimes these things go great (whenever it’s the most like your usual show) and sometimes these are totally brutal.
The guy was interesting. But I think you may have missed an opportunity. Hoping you take those comments seriously without taking them personally. Until next week!
Christian Kingery
This is good criticism, Kenneth, and something that was already on our minds. Thanks!
JasonStellman
Good stuff, Kenneth.
JasonStellman
I would challenge you on what you said, Christian. You worthless piece of $h!t.
Trevor Mauss
I loved this interview. Cash is money. Also, his cursive fortune telling thing felt spot on.
JasonStellman
He was spot on, I thought. As soon as his eyes rolled back in his head I knew it was gonna be legit.
Cory
My main criteria for a “good” podcast – do you make me think? And, not required but definitely icing on the podcast cake is, do you make me laugh? Maybe a third one – do you sound like authentic, real people. Thus far, all your podcasts (literally, all) have made me think and laugh and you still keep that authenticity vibe. Most of your interviews have introduced me to new people and ways of thinking that I find valuable in expanding my own view on the world. I’ll never understand people that listen to any podcast of yours or another’s just to write a scathing complaint. Don’t like it? Don’t listen. And now I’m off to research how I can submit a graphology request to Cash. 😉 Keep up the good work! It takes a lot of time and money and effort to put out a weekly podcast. I hope your momentum continues.
Mildly Buzzed Current Pastor
Agreed. Control the interview. Cash was interesting, but when given he opportunity, he took off and it was difficult to stop him. On the other hand, if Jason was tired and needed a nap, Cash provided just the environment. Cash and I have something in common: I make people fall asleep too– every Sunday morning.
Lane
Yes. I love your interviews!
Lane
It isn’t free anylonger: http://cashpeters.wix.com/handwriting
kenneth
Lane,
Check this out and tell me what you think.
http://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/2214-a-grand-inversion-at-the-heart-of-neo-catholicism
It reminded me of Jason because we so frequently hear about loving our neighbor on these podcasts. Interesting read.
Evan McKee
I personally love how willing you guys are to listen to your guests and give them a chance to talk. It bugs the shit out of me when people constantly interrupt and argue with the people they have on their show.
Cory
Yeah, I checked it out. Maybe someday! I’m pretty sure I know at least half of my current wounds/issues/complexities without it but it sure would be interesting! Working pro bono is tricky business. I do it frequently and there does inevitably become a pushback point. Entirely fair of him to charge. I’ll continue to be impressed at his gift and equally impressed that DXP didn’t edit out the public undressing of their psyches. !!
Lane
Right. My push back against the Rollins theology (or at minimum the language he likes to use) was basically this critique. I don’t think you can properly love your neighbor without first loving God. This does seem to be the root of the problem with the wishy-washy-ness of progressive Christianity and the postmodern thinking that justifies their wishy-washy-ness that motivates this error. If God is objective, is truth, and we can come to know truths about Him, that seems to fly in the face of postmodern thinking. If we can’t know God, that leaves only our neighbor. That said, of course, we should love our neighbor but that is motivated by and formed by our love of God, which includes keeping His commandments.
kenneth
I had previously not been able to put my finger on the error until I stumbled upon that post. Good stuff!
Lane
I just starting reading Jesus of Nazareth by Pope Benedict XVI. He just made the exact same observation, pointing out that this is eerily similar to Jesus’ 3rd temptation, where He is offered rule over all the Earthly world. But the Kingdom of God is bigger than just this world.
Chris Fisher
Anyone can say, “I love God.” Perhaps they even have warm fuzzy feelings. Perhaps they enjoy reading the bible. They feel the quiet intimacy of prayer. They bask in the traditions and pomp of church services. They enjoy seeing and talking to their friends every week. Perhaps they keep the rules that their church says they should keep.
But that doesn’t display a love of God. How they treat others does.
So, do you love others because of your love of an invisible God you’ve never met or do you show your love of God by loving those created in his image? Is it an either-or? Or could it be both? Could loving the seen image of God in your fellow man feed into your love and devotion to God and vice versa?
kenneth
You are just now reading Jesus of Nazareth?!?! Lol
kenneth
It’s a terrific trio. The guy has forgotten more about scripture than I will ever know
Lane
That’s what hear, even from Protestants. I think I may start a Benedict/Ratzinger binge.
Lane
Anyone can say, “I love my neighbor” also.
To love God is to love who God is: Love itself, Justice, Mercy, Truth, Being, Goodness, Beauty. To learn about who God is by studying what He has revealed about himself in the person of Jesus. You love God by see God’s image in every person, and loving them – because you love God. And most importantly – you love God by keeping His commandments.
Chris Fisher
True, I could say I love my neighbor, but there is a yardstick to measure the truth of that statement: my actions.
If I say I love God, then things become a bit more murky, because different people think about our relationship to God in different ways. Do I love God because I’m pious? Because I’m religious? Because I get emotional when I pray or read my bible or go to church? Because I believe all the ‘right’ things? Because I didn’t do the “Don’ts”? Because I vote my ‘values’?
Because for many American Christians, these would be the yardstick.
So perhaps instead of viewing the focus on loving your neighbor through an uncharitable lens, we should view it as another attempt to define how one shows that they love the intangible God. Back to the “you have faith and I have works…” bit of James, at it were.
Because I think American Christianity (and I speak mainly of my own experience in Protestant Christianity) has almost reached a Gnostic view of faith and works, in particular to how we relate to other people.
Lane
I believe I have been charitable to this, as Jason can probably attest to, both on this site and the Heavy for the Vintage site, when Rollins theology has been discussed. Of course, you love God by loving your neighbor. However, I think Rollin’s language goes too far, along with Christian progressives in general, to shrink love God to simply love of neighbor. This is the error.
You direct love toward God also. You learn about who God is just like you would any other person you love. You pray to God, you direct adoration toward God, you have Faith in God, you trust God (which enables the risks involved in loving your neighbor), and you keep His commandments.
Ignoring explicit love of God and focusing solely on your neighbor allows you to stop praying, stop trusting, and to stop keeping commandments. The lack of trust/Faith in God gets in the way of developing heroic/supernatural virtue – as displayed in the Saints. At the end of day, the only thing that matters is our development of virtue to grow into Saints; to participate in the life of God; to become more like the Son, a member of the family of God.
Not learning about God, as He has revealed Himself, makes attempts at loving your neighbor wishy-washy, because your love may not be properly formed. God is Love after all, and coming to know God, is to learn both what is and how to love.
Of course, by all means love your neighbor – it is essential! But don’t fall into the trap of thinking you don’t need to love God as well.
kenneth
I’ve been reading Plantinga and swineburn for the first time. I’ve heard other people summarize their stuff but haven’t ever read them for myself. Mind blown. They are super brilliant. I wish we had some Catholic philosophers on their level. Feser is really really good, but these guys are in a different league.
JasonStellman
On the one hand Rollins’ view is hard to square with Scripture (while Cash’s is impossible), but on the other, I don’t think he cares. He is not primarily a theologian but a philosopher, and his stated aim is to provide an alternate and subversive and radical reading of the Tradition.
For my part, both the Great Commandment and the second are pretty cool.
Lane
Oh man, it looks like you may have broke Cash. He says he doesn’t want to do an interview again. You would think that someone who has spent so much time in the public eye would have thicker skin. I’m a little surprised by his reaction honestly.
http://cashpeters.podbean.com/e/bonus-memo-fall-out-from-the-drunk-ex-pastors-appearance/
Lane
I mean, there is that Aquinas guy.
kenneth
Yeah there is definitely Aquinas! I’ve been digging around for Suarez too. But that style is writing is so taxing to work through!!
Lane
Yeah, I’ve heard a lot of talk about Suarez, particularly his Congruism.
kenneth
I’m a huge fan of congruism but there aren’t any pop level defenses of it. Most of his works aren’t even translated into English which is even more lame. Gay.
Lane
What? You don’t read Latin?! Lame. =)
Mario
For being ex pastors you guys are very dense and ignorant when it comes to spiritual matters, when hosting Cash Peters the obvious seemed to escape what a even a newly converted Christian who’s only read the Bible at a cursory level would readily recognize, and that is that when you’re dealing with Cash Peters alleged handwriting analysis ability, you’re actually dealing with a familiar spirit, here’s some of the clues, when Cash says he feels that it’s “somebody else doing it” and one of you asked, “who?” And he answered “I don’t know!” And if that wasn’t enough of a clue, when Cash states something to the effect of “it actually has nothing to do with handwriting,” by his own admission he is telling you that it is merely a contact point, such as are used by occultists, so it could very easily be tea leaves, tarot cards, animal entrails, etc., that’s why when one of you mentioned that you would disguise your handwriting or write left handed when you’re right handed, how that would affect the test, he said it wouldn’t matter because it’s the “energy.” You two are either the stupidest expastors I’ve ever heard or the most deceived, who don’t know what you’re playing with as you open occultic doors to familiar spirits and not only for yourselves but for your audience, God help you and have mercy on you as you continue to go down the dark hallways of rebellion!
Christian Kingery
Mario, a couple things:
1. Thanks for the great fodder for episode 78.
2. LOL
Mario
After hearing your response on my comment on Cash Peters, I take it back you guys aren’t stupid, I think you’re just willfully ignorant, I really don’t think you guys listen to your own podcasts. What was plainly obvious seems to escape you, but hopefully not the listeners, and then in your stubbornness you obfuscate the issue by throwing in things that had nothing to do with the issue i.e.; “I know Christians will say Yoga is of the devil, or because we can’t understand how absorbing sunlight benefits us so it must be of the devil,” nothing at all with what I brought up, but by doing so, you minimize the issue by lumping it with non-sequiturs, but again let me give you another clue that again points to demonic activity, and this was when Cash Peters began to endorse “John of God,” if you were to follow up on John of God and do a little homework you would readily see what John of God himself says about his alleged miraculous power, for he readily acknowledges that when he goes into a trance he is taken over by guiding spirits of dead masters that then inhabit his body and perform these psychic surgeries without anesthesia, and do amazing healings in people. Come on guys I know you can’t really be that obtuse, this psychic healer that Cash Peters endorses plainly tells you that familiar spirits are possessing him to do this, and now you have Cash Peters manifesting some of the same things, do the math guys, if it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck, It’s a duck! But from your spiritual ignorance it seems that discernment is the first thing that goes out the window when you reject Christ!
Christian Kingery
Thanks for the heads up, Mario. I’ve called my local priest and he’s coming over to sprinkle holy water on everything Cash touched in my house.
Mario
Too bad you’ve chosen to answer with condescension and ridicule instead of using intelligent cogent arguments to support your position, but it perhaps shows that your position is indefensible thus you have to resort to sophomoric ignorant tactics, but perhaps what’s most telling is that it’s “the fool who has said there is no God” the one who answers rather than the one who at least claims he believes in what seems to be a nominal James 2:19 way, for at least he should know better but he just slides along slithering without a backbone going along with the status quo!
Christian Kingery
Yes, that’s why I ridicule the idea that we’re opening us and our listeners up to demonic activitiy by having someone analyze our handwriting…because our position is indefensible. You got me.
JasonStellman
Jesus must be so proud of you.
Mario
Hey I love you guys! Take care! There’s nothing to be proud of, we are just wretched sinners saved by the grace of God!
Lane
To be fair, being too interested in and experimenting with the occult can open one to/invite the demonic. At least according to exorcists. You guys should totally try to interview an exorcist! I hear most dioceses have at least one.
Thom
One of the best episodes!