Podcast #82: Race, Sports, and Hip-Hop Culture

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82This episode of Drunk Ex-Pastors begins with Christian explaining what he’s been doing with his down-time while sick, and then moves on to Jason’s love for Australians and their “busted pluggers” (which is not nearly as sexual as it sounds). We conclude our reporting on the militia standoff in Oregon (they’re all dead or in jail), and then take a listener’s call about whether people who adopt stupid ideas are themselves stupid, or just kind of uncritical and unreflective (i.e., stupid). We take a fan’s suggestion and weigh in on Carolina Panthers’ quarterback Cam Newton and attempt to narrow down the exact reason why we hate him, which leads to a lengthy discussion about whether certain cultures are superior while others are just plain crappy. We watch a pro-gun pastor’s paranoid video about cage-fighter Jesus before launching into our “Feeding Friendsy” segment about the dangers of needing famous pawns for the Christian culture war. And finally, in our “Dick Move, God” segment Jason gets all up close and personal.

Also, Wiz Khalifa and Kanye West are both drowning and you only have time to save one. So, what kind of sandwich do you make?

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  2. DXP is the most caucasian podcast in history, and the second whitest website on the whole internet. Cam Newton is the Fresh Prince of Bel Air. Russell Wilson is Carlton. DXP is SWPL.

  3. Like you said, I love Cam Newton. And he might be loved the most by Panthers fans, but that is simply because we know him. I think my biggest problem is that he is being judged simply because he celebrates (as a QB). He does beat women, he doesn’t “make it rain”, he doesn’t talk shit, he doesn’t taunt (unless you count joyfully celebrating). Other positions are allowed to celebrate (even other sports look at the huge celebrations following soccer scores), but not the QB position – a traditionally white position. Cam is sooo good; he is such a transcendent talent, that he doesn’t have to change his personally to act the way people expect the QB to act.

    You can not like the celebrating; you can think it is cocky. But to think he is a douche bag, to judge him to be a terrible person because his culture is different from you- that is shitty. Look at things he does other than celebrate. For 5 years, he has given every single TD ball away to a kid in the stands. He does so many things for children off the field – last Thanksgiving he fed >900 children in need dinner. He is simply amazing with kids. And when he got the big contract, did stop working and go partying a la Johnny Manziel? No. He busted his ass and had the best season of his career. He is a great person. Cocky, sure.

  6. It’s not that he celebrates, Lane. I love celebrations in sports. I don’t care what sport or what position. It’s the cockiness (which, by the way, doesn’t jive with your religion at all). It’s not a celebration of winning. It’s a celebration of himself. It’s drawing all the attention to him and acting like he’s the greatest player that ever lived. It’s the “Look at me, I am so awesome!” aspect of it. I don’t care for that no matter what sport or what position. It’s the same reason that I think Cristiano Ronaldo is douchey. Cam is the Ronaldo of American football. No one said he’s not a nice guy off the field or he doesn’t do nice things for people. On the field, which is what most people see, most people outside of Carolina don’t like him, and as far as I’m concerned it’s for good reason. I think you’re a little blinded by your loyalty to your team, to be honest.

  7. Of course I biased! But my bias isn’t taking me from “that guy is a terrible human being” to “I love him”, it is taken me from “ehh, great player, wish he was on my team, maybe celebrates too much”. I only heavily dislike a few players – usually because they are criminals off the field or they intentionally try to cause injuries on it.

    “most people outside of Carolina don’t like him”
    I would challenge that! Most older white people don’t like him. You know, the ones who say things that sound like: “I’m not racist. I like black people! I just don’t like black people who don’t act white”. =)

  9. I’m tired of the race card being played in this situation. It’s a cop out and gives an excuse to someone who acts like an arrogant prick on the field. Remember “Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth”? Which part of Cam’s overall attitude on the field is meek? What does the Bible say about exalting one’s self? Ironic that the Agnostic has to remind the Christian what characteristics are to be sought after and held up as traits to strive towards. Cam Newton displays and glories in the opposite, and even though I’m not a Christian, it’s not attractive to me, at all. It doesn’t matter if he’s white, black, or any other race or what culture he exemplifies.

  10. I’d actually be rooting for the Panthers if it wasn’t for Cam Newton’s arrogance. Like I mention below, it’s ironic to me that the Christian (you) bashes the Agnostic (me) for finding characteristics that the Bible disparages (exalting oneself, pride, gloating) as unattractive and off-putting. Implying that I’m racist in this situation is ridiculous and frankly offensive.

  11. So you throw the Christian Card? Whatever, my Catholicism lets me see the image of God in other people and cultures that are different from my own.
    Yes, he isn’t the most humble person. But remember humble is the recognition of the truth, and he IS pretty good. However, he also draws attention to others. He gives his TD balls away. He feeds the hungry. And I’m sure you’ve seen those team photos he takes on the sideline – not personal photos. He draws his teammates together, he gives credit to others, and make everyone around him better. But I guess I should ignore ALL that because he celebrates a little more than the average QB. Give me a break.

  12. I think he’s a phenomenal player and deserves to be in the Super Bowl based on how he plays. I simply think he’s immature, arrogant, and an attention-whore. I think you’re so blinded by your love for your team that you’re willing to cast some of your own Christian principles to the side and call me a racist to defend Cam. I assume you’re a Christian above all else, so I didn’t realize that appealing to Christian virtues would be playing the “Christian card.” You’re continually defending someone who glories in anti-Biblical qualities. Does he do nice things for people too? Sure. Everyone who sins also does a lot of good things. Does that mean that you excuse the sin? Come on, man. Stop being such a fanboy.

  13. If we’re going to use the Bible, we would probably like virtually no one. Like I said, he feeds the hungry and brings joy to children – not exactly frowned upon in the Bible.

    I find the hatred directed toward him also quite offensive, especially since when you look closely at what he does, the hatred is ridiculous. It makes me so frustrated.

    I’m not saying you are a KKK card caring racist, just pointing to a potential blind spot. But we ALL are a little racist, me included! The over the top attacks directed at him makes me suspicious (less so your case than others). I was actually little surprised by the stance you take on him. I thought you were going to be more sympathetic to Cam.

    No bashing, just friendly poking. If we were talking in person, I think we might get a good laugh out of the conversation. If it is getting under your skin, I’ll stop.

  15. Last time I watched him play, he solidified himself to me as someone I don’t like. His skin color doesn’t matter to me. The team he is on doesn’t matter to me. If Luke Willson consistently acted the way Cam Newton does, I wouldn’t like him. All most people see of Cam Newton is how he acts on the field when their teams play the Panthers, and it’s extremely unappealing. That’s why it’s an issue, because most people don’t like it. The original video you asked us to talk about even says it’s not a race issue, that it’s an issue of culture. My response is that if a culture glories in arrogance and gloating and attention-whoredom, then it’s not a culture I respect, or at least I don’t respect those aspects of that culture. Blaming his on-field behavior on “culture” is a cop-out, in my opinion. One of my least favorite things about football is the gloating and the arrogance, and Cam takes it to new levels, and he comes across as someone who thinks of himself as just plain awesome. He comes across as someone who loves attention and goes to great lengths to make sure the attention is on him. Maybe he does a bunch of great things off the field or on the sideline that I don’t see, and maybe those things need to be highlighted more often to bring some balance to his (what I would call) selfish behavior. He gives footballs to kids? To me, that’s not surprising at all, since he knows the camera is on him and that’s the type of person he strikes me as, someone who does everything he does for the camera. That’s why he rubs a lot of people the wrong way. I’m surprised you think my “attacks” are over the top. Based on what I’ve seen of him, he’s kind of a tool. He’s not someone I’d want to spend time with. Maybe he’s completely different off the field. In my opinion, he should show a little more humility. You can still inspire your team and show humility at the same time. Many athletes have done that over the years. If he can’t figure out how to do that, he’s just not someone I’m ever going to have much respect for, and I’m going to enjoy seeing him get beat when it finally happens. (As a side, note, I don’t hate him. I do hate his persona on the field though. Based on that alone, I think he’s a db. Is there more to him than that? It sounds like it and I certainly hope so. He knows as much as anyone though, that most of what most people are going to see from him is on the field. If he doesn’t care to show anything else, then I don’t really care to look any deeper.)

  16. “My response is that if a culture glories in arrogance and gloating and attention-whoredom, then it’s not a culture I respect, or at least I don’t respect those aspects of that culture.”

    His culture isn’t hip-hop, or at least not how you guys described it on the cast. He doesn’t flash guns, he doesn’t “make it rain”, he doesn’t brag about cars or money, he doesn’t gang bang, he doesn’t talk shit about other athletes. What he does do is show his emotion. He doesn’t hide it. That’s the culture we are talking about. He doesn’t feel the need to change who he is so that he looks like other QBs. Some people look at his show of emotion and think he is arrogant and cocky. Fine. If you think his celebrating is gloating. Fine. Sounds like your mind is made up. That’s fine.

    It is still an interesting conversation about culture and race that the NFL is having.

  18. For my part, the only standard is “be a good sport on the field.” I don’t really care about anything else.

  19. Comes down to how each person defines “good sport”, I guess. I feel he is pretty good sport. If he wasn’t on my team, I might think “maybe he celebrates a little too much.”

  21. And like I said on the show, I have no problem with double standards from fans. For most of Kobe’s career I would have hated him if I weren’t a Lakers fan.

  24. • Die Hard was a great movie. But there were no sequels, just like The Matrix.

    • Australians need to drink and have a good sense of humor because everything on their island is trying to kill them.

    • They gave militia guy a lot more tolerance and leeway than they did the 12 year-old black kid with a BB gun.

    • No, the militia guy was armed and had a shoulder holster that he appeared to be reaching for.

    • The only thing more annoying than listening to ice clinking in a glass is listening to chocolate being chewed.

    • Here is the best way I can describe the difference. Let’s say we are faced with a geometry problem. In geometry, there are often multiple ways of reaching an answer. I could see a problem and build a proof that would be completely different than someone else’s proof. It doesn’t mean I’m right and he’s wrong, we just thought differently about the data to reach a conclusion.

    Now let’s say I look over at Donald Trump’s paper and read the following steps in his proof:

    I am great, tea pot, purple duck, therefore, whale farts.

    That’s so outside the realm of math and the rules of math that I can call it both stupid and wrong.

    • You’d think the existence of thousands of Christian denominations would engender within us a sense of humility when approaching the bible and faith, but no. I’m right and you’re wrong.

    • I think if Trump shot someone in the face, his poll numbers would go up. Especially if his victim were black or Latino.

    • No, but South Carolina was and remains the birthplace of racist secession, nullification, and states’ rights.

    • You can tell if someone’s black or not by how often they get pulled over while driving a nice car and whether or not they survive the encounter with the police without any extra holes being added to their bodies.

    • I’ve never given Cam Newton a second thought.

    • My Giants haven’t given the playoffs any thought since about September.

    • But I do think it’s funny that two middle-aged white guys are analyzing hip-hop culture. #GETOFF MYLAWN! lol

    • Gun control situation? We don’t have one. We do, however, have a gun death problem and a gun culture problem.

    • Ooooo… Obama coming fer mah guns? Do go on.

    • It’s been seven years now. I think your guns are safe from the scary black man. Or are they? Maybe your guns need guns to defend themselves! Ever think of that?

    • Obama has been a pretty good president, but a lousy totalitarian, gun-seizing dictator .We didn’t even get to see any bankers get lined up against a wall.

    • So, God supposedly has and will kill a lot of people, so He’s cool if I shoot one or two? Go on…

    • If Jesus gave them swords and expected them to use them, then why did every single apostle go off quietly and accept imprisonment, beatings, and death according to tradition? Why didn’t Stephen start throwing stones back at his executioners?

    • But Republican Jesus says, “Kill ‘em all and let Me sort them out.”

    • Republican Jesus also says, “Fuck you, I’ve got mine.”

    • Republican Jesus also goes by Josh because Jesus “is an ethnic name.”

    • Well, come on, you know if she just submitted to her husband properly like a good Christian wife, he wouldn’t have had to beat her.

    • I need a shower after even jokingly writing that last sentence.

    • I don’t often feel God’s presence in my life. I do feel very blessed and very lucky as much of a contradiction that is. And I do feel a reverence or a quiet awe some rare moments, but nothing like having Jesus sitting on my shoulder whispering into my ear. I don’t think God works like that. It feels very isolating at times, especially having grown up with folks telling us about their ‘relationship with God’ and all I can say is that the relationship seems completely one-sided, as if I bought a book about someone and now pretend that we’re best friends and pretend to talk to them on a pretend phone.

    I sat in church this Sunday and repeatedly thought that I just did not believe in the same Christian experience or tradition that they do. I believe in God walking the Earth as a man, but everything else, the trappings that go with it, I’d just as soon leave and walk away.

  25. That’s one of the few things that sets DXP apart from Stuff White People Like, ya’ll don’t pander to hip-hop, even the classical kind. I respect that, even though I like rap, in part because it is not necessary to interpret the lyrics literally or take them seriously. Its an enacted mythology, a ritual unto itself, much like sports, or liturgy. As for Cam, I have disliked him for years. I particularly deplored Newton’s on field persona until Joe Buck, that king cracker, verbally did the same during the Green Bay game this year. As a matter of principle I always oppose Joe Buck. Also, before that game Cam tore down and destroyed a banner on which the Packer’s logo was plastered over the state seal of North Carolina. That was a very good thing to do. The man to whom the banner belonged cried like a little bitch on talk radio all the next week. That was funny. Finally, dancing and exuberance in the wake of triumph are definitely biblical values. You guys used to read the Bible, in which there are a lot of Jews, and you can probably remember one shining example of overt Semitic displays of joy. In consideration of such things, my outer cracker finally crumbled, and I accepted Cam’s biblical, old school fundamentalist rapture celebrations. I still don’t like him so far as I can read him in interviews and such, but I like the show.

  27. Oh, by “the show” I meant the Cam Newton show. I like that a lot. But I like ya’ll’s show too, despite what you guys think about blacks and jews. The gift of gab is what you got, prejudice notwithstanding.

  28. Who would have thought the gloves would come off over Can Newton! Haha

    1. Lane should not be such a fanboy.

    2. Christian should stop being so sensitive. You call republicans bigoted racist morons and mock Christianity on a weekly basis. You can’t take a little friendly poke without whining about being offended? Pshaw!

  30. Your boy Sanders is soooooooo close in Iowa… I can’t stay up much later for these results, but I’m hoping for Cruz Sanders for maximum DXP hysteria one Cruz crushes him in a national election 🙂

  38. Haha except Hillary’s about to get indicted, bloomberg is running as an indipendant and the GOP has massive turnout and an energized base. “Everyone” hated Cruz in Texas when he ran for Senate and he crushed the election. “Everyone” hates Cruz now, but he just set the record for most votes of all time in Iowa.

    By “everyone” you mean the media/establishment. If one thing has been made clear in 2016… Its that America doesn’t give a shit what they like. See Bernie/Cruz/Trump phenomenon.

  39. Personally, I’d actually like to see Hillary get indicted. I wouldn’t take Tom Delay’s word on it though. He’s not exactly the person that news would be leaked to. Cruz didn’t set a record, Republicans did. Trump and Rubio were right behind him pulling in large amounts of voters. I’d be surprised if Cruz got the nomination. If I were a Republican, I would hope he doesn’t get it.

    Also, keep the numbers in perspective. Republicans had record voter turnout of 180k. (Previous record was 120k.) Democrats didn’t have record voter turnout because the previous record was already 239k. Democrats did have 171k people vote. In other words, the “massive turnout” of the Republicans still was barely more than a “pretty good” day for the Democrats.

  40. I WOULD be worried if Republicans continue to see anything close to a 50% increase on previous records moving forward.

  41. The Democratic ticket is a joke man. Hillary was a legit threat until these emails/Benghazi. America isn’t going to vote in a socialists. But we shall see!!!

    As a side note, what do you think of these HSA accounts the GOP is pushing to replace religion obamacare?

  42. You do realize that both parties think that the other party’s ticket is a joke, right? Just want to make sure you don’t have both feet in Fantasyland.

    I haven’t heard about the HSA thing in this context, but I’ve personally had an HSA for the last 5 or 6 years. It’s OK. Probably the best option outside of a single-payer system. Both of my kids were born in a country with a single-payer system, and the medical care was as good as anything I experienced in the States. We also dealt with emergency room visits, sicknesses, etc. in that environment.

  43. The idea runs like this…

    Every american citizen is given a HSA from birth.

    Every american citizen recieves 2k per year from government into said account. Plus whatever they contribute pretax. Money can shift from family member to family member.

    Lower income and indigent citizens get more depending upon their needs.

    A much cheaper catastrophic insurance policy offered across state lines covers the rest.

    Universal access to doctors. Competition. Free market. No socialism. Boom.

  45. Enjoyed the podcast as always. I so much appreciated the comments you both made but especially Jason regarding his journey. I continue to love the honesty which is what we all need more of! Thank you for leading by example.
    Hey – how does one become one of the “select” group of fans? Jealous! I feel like the prodigal’s older brother. I am an early patron so I guess I just have to up my pledge now.
    Love to you guys!

  46. First of all, the insurance companies are not able to gauge because competition will cross state lines and the only coverage needed is ER.

    Further, the price of doctor/prescription copays will drop because people will be careful with their money and competition will rise. They also won’t be going to the ER as often on America’s tax dime and the clinics will give them better prevantitive care. So the overall price of day to day care goes down, insurance prices go down, everyone has coverage, healthcare costs us far less, and we all have the ability/power to choose our own doctor.

    It accomplishes everything dems claim to want while promoting competition and our rights as a consumer

  47. Of course, people will get gouged. Perhaps not on the front end, but as with policies now, the devil will be in the details buried in legalese on the forms that no one reads, but gives companies loopholes and legal tricks and arbitration to get out of fulfilling their side of the assumed agreement.

    The GOP answer for this, of course, will be, “Sucks to be you, should have read the legalese or retained an attorney to do it for you.”

    That also assumes, in the absence of evidence, that health care has a positive price elasticity of demand, when the opposite is much more likely to be true. When you or your loved ones are sick, you will pay any price to feel better again.

    The only thing that selling insurance across state lines will accomplish is eliminating any consumer protections that one state has enacted in favor of the state with the lowest regulatory burden on insurance companies. That and making it much harder to seek a redress of grievances from your insurance company.

    And, sorry, I do think Teddy will be your nominee, but, unless your side’s voter ID laws are unusually successful at denying minority citizens the right to vote, he won’t be coming anywhere near the Oval Office.

  50. Comrade,

    Of course, people will get gouged. Perhaps not on the front end, but as with policies now, the devil will be in the details buried in legalese on the forms that no one reads, but gives companies loopholes and legal tricks and arbitration to get out of fulfilling their side of the assumed agreement.

    Your argument is Insurances will “of course” price gauge because:

    1. There could be many pages to sign.

    And

    2. Loop holes might exist within those pages.

    Brilliant.

    When you or your loved ones are sick, you will pay any price to feel better again.

    Of course! But if Dr. Seus charges me $100 dollars to feel better while Dr. Who charges only $50….

    The only thing that selling insurance across state lines will accomplish is eliminating any consumer protections that one state has enacted in favor of the state with the lowest regulatory burden on insurance companies. That and making it much harder to seek a redress of grievances from your insurance company.

    Haha! Obviously once state lines are lifted there will be a national standard of regulations. If company x has a poor track record of settling grievances and company y doesn’t… Again, competition drives excellence. If necessary there might even be government regulations on settling grievances. Non issue. Meanwhile, the prices for insurance go WAY down as Big insurance competes for what’s left of copays to stay in business.

    And, sorry, I do think Teddy will be your nominee, but, unless your side’s voter ID laws are unusually successful at denying minority citizens the right to vote, he won’t be coming anywhere near the Oval Office.

    Scoreboard has him besting Hillary at the moment. If y’all can’t change horses before indictment things get even easier.

  51. Just looked it up, we are currently spending 3 trillion dollar per year on healthcare. So that 700 billion has quite a bit if breathing room lol

    We could give every citizen 8k per year and STILL save money

  52. Right and, of course, when (God forbid) it’s 2am and your little one has a temperature of 104 or you’re puking and crapping your guts out or having chest pains, your first thought will be to do price comparison to make sure you get the best deal. Right.

    And, sorry, chap, there is no indictment coming. You’ve been reading too many GOP websites.

  53. Sure, in emergency situations you aren’t going to price check. Most people will have picked a doctor before that time and market equilibrium will settle at a lower rate.

  55. Your faith in the market is hopelessly naive. While I might be a tad too cynical, history has shown that corporations, left to their own devices, will exploit consumers, workers, and the communities they reside in to squeeze every last penny in profits out of the market.

    You don’t have to go googling very far to find insurance horror stories today, and you certainly wouldn’t have to go very far if we engage in a race to the bottom of the regulatory structure.

    I do not trust corporations to look out for my best interests or to not try and con me out of my money while paying out next to nothing in benefits.

  56. History has shown that there should be oversight. “Hands off” economics has had its day. But that doesn’t mean that the general principles of free market economics get thrown out the window. It only follows that we could use some oversight.

    I’m not arguing for laissez faire HSAs with zero regulations on nationwide catastrophe insurance. I’m arguing for a balanced conservative system of universal care that encourages free market competition and gives consumers the power of choice with government oversight.

    You don’t have to google very far to find socialist healthcare nightmares either. And I might add that you have no more reason to trust big government than you do corporate billionaires. Political self interest is not more noble than economic self interest.

    You guys act like its the billionaire class vs the angel class. Talk about naive

  57. First, the rise of Hitler was predicated by nationalism, a senseless and costly war, an unstable political system that resulted in regime collapse just before the end of World War I and that instability continued in the ensuing 20 years, a peace agreement that impacted the German economy, and the rise and relative economic success of fascism in Italy.

    The Nazis, in order to intimidate and destroy the Communist party and rival political parties, organized a goon squad that would commit violence at Communist rallies. The goon squad would become the SS. Hitler himself was quite adept at political maneuvering and exploiting the German political instability to gain power legally so he could implement his plans for ‘national greatness’.

    The entire process took about 17 years or so and there was a lot that went into it.

    It’s not like the Germans just woke up one morning and said, “Let’s kill some Jews today.”

    No, it’s not coming for the white, Protestant Christians in America.

    If anything, persecution will probably be coming for Arabs and Muslims, and the Evangelical community will cheer it on.

  58. @christiankingery:disqus Is it official; is your opinion on Cam Newton the most controversial thing you have said in terms of blow back from listeners? Haha!

  59. Crazy. People can’t even hear me when I clarify. I think Jason is making a meme…which I’m sure will get me in even more trouble…even though Jason is the one that said that “Hip hop culture is inferior.” Ha ha.

  60. I don’t think it was intentional, but when you guys kept on bringing up things that make a culture objectively bad, you kept on associating it with “hip-hop” culture. And to my annoyance, associating it with Newton. It sounded like just a list of negative stereotypes. I was actually waiting for people to push back against the hip-hop culture stuff. Like I said, I don’t think it was intentional.

  61. The only reason hip hop was a part of the conversation at all was because of the video you linked us to. We didn’t make that connection. Others did. My point was that if a culture glorifies arrogance, then that aspect of that culture sucks. I probably didn’t make that as clear as I could have, but that’s what I was saying in context. The conversation from there should be, “Is Cam Newton being arrogant or not?” which is a conversation I’m fine with having. What I don’t like is people telling me that I said that rap is inferior, celebrating is bad, and what an amazing guy Cam is off the field. Those are all off-topic.

  62. BTW, how does one qualify for becoming a member of the DXP FB group? Is the first step joking that one of the hosts is a racist? Because – check! =)

  63. I agree to an extent. The conversation should be limited to whether or not Cam is arrogant or too cocky. However, I do think that when we are judging a person (which it seemed you were doing initially), we take everything into account – including the giving away of balls and the infectious way Cam’s energy affect his team, both which also happen on the field, along with all the off the field stuff.

    But we don’t have to have the conversation, you’ve been through enough.

  65. I can see how I came across that way and I clarify that in episode 83. In my mind, I was referring to his on-field antics and was judging him based on his on-field persona. I wasn’t saying that I know him personally and in his personal life he’s a douchebag…but I can definitely see how someone could have gotten that from what I said. I should have been more clear on the context. To be honest, from everything I’ve read or been told about him, I like him off the field.

  66. Thank you for clarifying. I realize that he may rub people the wrong the way, and I don’t need everyone to like him, but I just don’t understand the hate some people have for him.

  67. If you had asked me a month ago who Cam Newton was I wouldn’t have been able to tell you. I don’t hate the guy, he is utterly inconsequential to me.

    But the video we were responding to featured a black NFL analyst arguing that people who dislike Cam dislike him not because of race, but because he is a part of young hip hop culture, which older people don’t understand.

    For my part, I have no idea what cultural well Newton draws from. But there are aspects of hip hop culture that seem to intersect with his on-field behavior, and I don’t really like it.

    It’s that simple, really.

  68. There is a surprising amount of hate (and love) surrounding Newton; he is polarizing. He has even been described as a walking Rorschach test, see below. That’s why I thought it would be a cool topic to hear you guys discuss, especially right now while it is a hot issue. And I’m very happy you did, even if Christian took a stronger side than I was originally expecting.

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14559236/carolina-panthers-quarterback-cam-newton-unlike-qb-nfl

  70. Who would have thought THIS is what you would lose listeners over and not Christian advocating consistent Christians killing their kids! Ha!

    Isn’t negative publicity, good publicity?

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